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windexcowboy
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Gheto Tivo...
I got my Tivo today, and have been having a hell of a time setting it up.

I intend to use it on broadband, with a wireless USB adapter, however Tivo does require a software update before this is possible, requiring a dial-out. kingfox was able to get it to work with Vonage, but I have not been so lucky.

I have an older ATA than Russell and that may be part of the problem. In any event, after spending the night playing with dial prefixes and the like, and even calling Vonage (as suggested by the Vonage support forums) and having them set my ATA's "packetization level" to 10 (this supposedly changes the config of my ATA so that it is using more than 90kbps of bandwidth, and thus gets higher quality calls, I had no luck. Perhaps it would have been better if Vonage set the packetization level to 11.

I gave up on the phone, and am now using these directions to do PPP over serial to my desktop. The cool thing is that I don't need a null-modem adapter or a gender changer for the Tivo's serial cable. The programming cable that came with my Phillips Pronto remote actually works. I did have to disable Windows Firewall, enable my Windows Guest account, and configure the Tivo's IP address manually to get it to connect, but it seems to be working. I'll have to see if I can actually get this to the point where my wireless adapter works.

Grr. Tivo really shouldn't be shipping boxes at this point that don't work with broadband out of the box though. I'd imagine the overlap between home VoIP users and Tivo users is significant enough for this to be an issue for them.

Current Mood: annoyed annoyed

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kingfox From: kingfox Date: April 5th, 2005 09:35 pm (UTC) (Link)

So you need last week's Office as a TiVo2Go file...

You snagged this week's?
windexcowboy From: windexcowboy Date: April 5th, 2005 09:59 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: So you need last week's Office as a TiVo2Go file...

Nope. I forgot it was on tonight... and my Tivo still isn't ready...
kingfox From: kingfox Date: April 5th, 2005 10:09 pm (UTC) (Link)

No worries...

It'll be two 372 MB files. I can burn it to two CDs either tonight or tomorrow morning.

Oh, and Barry gave me a thumbs up to do a presentation on vaporware.
windexcowboy From: windexcowboy Date: April 5th, 2005 11:32 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: No worries...

Awesome! What did you use for a codec for Tivo Desktop, btw? It complained about me not having one despite having an installed copy of WinDVD 5, although I suppose this could be a spurious error...
kingfox From: kingfox Date: April 5th, 2005 11:45 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: No worries...

As I was lacking lawful DVD playback software for my computer anyway (my burner came with Nero, but my DVD drive came with nothing), I went ahead and picked up the InterVideo software they linked to.

One CD's burned, I'll start the second up as I hit the hay.
windexcowboy From: windexcowboy Date: April 6th, 2005 10:59 pm (UTC) (Link)

Tivo2Go not as useful as we might have thought.

It's not the password you define on the files that controls the DRM, it's the media access key for your device.

When I try to play the files you gave me, for instance, it doesn't accept your password.. It wants my password, the one associated with the Windows user account I'm running Tivo desktop under.. after entering the password, it then complains that the media access key on my machine does not match the Tivo that recorded it.

So yeah, I'll have to use a tool to strip the DRM. Tivo2Go files are not transferable with the DRM...
kingfox From: kingfox Date: April 6th, 2005 11:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tivo2Go not as useful as we might have thought.

I wonder if Paul just never bothered to watch Henry's Film Corner after I recorded it for him, or if it worked because he didn't have the required version of the TiVo Desktop software on the computer to bitch about things not matching.

Regardless, this is something to keep in mind when I give mrfantasy his left-wing documentary tomorrow, err, today.
windexcowboy From: windexcowboy Date: April 6th, 2005 11:17 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tivo2Go not as useful as we might have thought.

If you don't have Tivo desktop, how would you play the files? The files are standard MPEG2, but are wrapped inside the .tivo format, and the DirectShow filters for that are only installed w/ Tivo desktop.

It looks like the removal of the DRM has to occur on your PC, btw. Basically, the hacks I've found just rencode the stream to standard MPEG2, but it still uses the Tivo software to decrypt it first... I haven't found anything yet that will let me take a .tivo file and just play it or decode it.
kingfox From: kingfox Date: April 6th, 2005 11:33 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tivo2Go not as useful as we might have thought.

There's been all of this talk of playing shows on people's laptops and the like, I assumed that TiVo Desktop wasn't installed on these laptops. I also assumed that they didn't strip the DRM, but instead used the password. I could have assumed wrong.

Try this one?
windexcowboy From: windexcowboy Date: April 6th, 2005 11:42 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tivo2Go not as useful as we might have thought.

That's the one I'm talking about. It's essentially having you use GraphEdit to recode the file, but you need to be able to open the file first. DirectShow doesn't know what to do with a .tivo file without Tivo's filter, which comes with Tivo Desktop.

The filters are all chained.. It goes basically:

.tivo file (encrypted Tivo file) -> Tivo's filter, which is what generates the password popup and does the DRM thing (produces MPEG2 output) -> user supplied MPEG2 codec -> Video output.

The GraphEdit hack just replaces the last part of the chain with the "dump" filter that just outputs an unencrypted file to disk.

Removing the DRM is possible, but as far as I have found, all of the tricks rely on using Tivo's software to open the file. You'd have to convert the files on your end to unencrypted MPEG2.
weaponjx From: weaponjx Date: April 6th, 2005 07:06 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't know if your "turning the packetization level to 11" thing was an intentional Spinal Tap reference, but I think it was awesome either way.
windexcowboy From: windexcowboy Date: April 6th, 2005 09:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
It was intentional.. :)
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